Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.christian Subject: The Moonie FAQ From: tilman@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:18:30 +0100 -------- The Moonie FAQ ! Warning ! This FAQ is cynical, sarcastic and contains humour. Its author will be called a bigot, communist, nazi - probably several of these. It is available on http://home.snafu.de/tilman/faq-you/moonies.txt Change history: 3.11.1999: Added more on the driving principle 4.7.2001: Added statement of Ang's sister 14.12.2001: Removed (37), the "players list" 1. What is this newsgroup (alt.religion.unification) for ? 2. Who is Moon ? 3. What about calling them "Moonies" ? 4. Since they have decided that the M-word is defamatory, why not follow that rule as a form of respect ? 5. What is a "Moonie front group" ? 6. Did I hear "Washington Times" ? 7. What are the arguments about front groups and deceptive recruiting ? 8. What reactions did *not* come from Moonies about deceptive recruiting ? 9. What about "Unification" ? 10. Is the UC christian ? 11. Is Sun Myung Moon a reverend ? 12. How often was Moon married ? 13. Wait a minute ! Is Moon a bigamist ? 14. Will Moonies believe that there is a connection to him being freed from jail and the K-War ? 15. What is the big problem with the CARP newspaper ? 16. What debate techniques are used by the Moonies ? 17. What happens when Moon dies ? 18. What happens after Moon died ? 19. What is "heavenly deception" ? 20. Is Moon a convicted felon ? 21. What arguments are used about his trial ? 22. What about George Bush ? 23. Who is Steve Hassan ? 24. What's the joke with "Merchant of Chaos" ? 25. Who is Andy Bacus ? 26. What about those mass marriages ? 27. What about sex ? 28. Scientology and the UC as bedfellows - it this for real ? 29. What about the M16 gun plant ? 30. What about the "Master Speaks" quotes ? 31. Who wrote the "divine principle" ? 32. What's the best newsreader for Windows ? 33. What about that movie ? 34. What is "The driving principle" ? 38. Any books ? 39. Humour 40. What about the Holy Handkerchiefs? 41. Is there a place for love in the Moon organisation? 50. Where can I get information on the internet ? 51. Where can I get information off the internet ? 1. What is this newsgroup (alt.religion.unification) for ? Discussing the "Unification Church", commonly known as "The Moonies". The Moonies are not really a "Church" or a religion, rather a huge right-wing movement, with hundreds of front groups. The UC is just the religious arm of the movement. 2. Who is Moon ? Sun Myung Moon = Founder of the Moon movement and South Korean industrialist. 3. What about calling them "Moonies" ? They were called such, and called themselves such. They wore buttons "Moonie and proud of it". But after Moon went to jail, they made a PR change. Now they are "persecuted", and someone who calls them "Moonies" is considered a bigot. One argument against using the M-word is that no white would call a black "nigger" just because the blacks call themselves so for fun. But that argument forgets that the Moonies *started* to call themselves so, while the blacks didn't. A newspaper (Chicago Tribune) called them "petal pushers". Craig Maxim : As recently as six years ago , when I was a member , the Unification Church's own giftshops sold coffee mugs (my mother has two of them !) which boast "I'm a Moonie and proud of it !" http://www.geocities.com/craigmaxim/cup.html Interesting is that there are a lots of texts online where Moon uses the word. To find them, go to www.unification.net search engine and enter the word. Here a few good ones: But Mother is the most obedient Moonie I have ever seen. Even if everyone else betrays me, I know she will still be my ardent follower. My entire life can be described by one phrase: it has been a life in the shadows. Always I have been misunderstood and persecuted. I was the first Moonie and all of you are the contemporary Moonies. When I look at you I envy you very much; you are so free. Compared to the way I lived in my early days, you are literally living in the Kingdom of Heaven. Be a Moonie. Love the world. [According to Craig Maxim, the quote above is also mentioned in a book on Religious Observances that the Moonies use as a guideline for correct worshipping: "The Tradition", Chapter 4, Page 36] The true Moonies are the ones who are walking all six continents with dignity no matter what people say. To be a proud Moonie you must know the true definition of a Moonie. He is the one who can go to his parents and proudly say, "Father, Mother, I'm a Moonie. If you love me, you will listen to why I have joined the Unification Church." That person will have the power to inspire his parents to become Moonies also. He is a true Moonie. God loves Moonies. Regardless of what others may say, we are happy people, aren't we? Aren't you proud to live this way of life? The term "Moonie" refers only to the formation stage. "Sunnie" is the growth stage. Perfection stage people will be called "Kingies." In the perfection stage, you will become a messiah. 4. Since they have decided that the M-word is defamatory, why not follow that rule as a form of respect ? Respect has to be mutual. Calling critics "bigots" is traditional name-calling but calling germans (well, me) "nazis" either directly or thru innuendo won't help. There is no need to libel someone for nothing. 5. What is a Moonie front group ? A group that acts as a recruiting front the Moonies, without usually telling it. Well-known are CARP, CAUSA, WfWP. Lesser known is e.g. "Won-Hwa-Do", the Moonie flavor of Karate. Some groups are not directly recruiting people, but promote Moon's conservative ideas, like the Washington Times. But they get fed Moon's money. In 1992, Moon has acknoledged of "putting close to $1,000,000,000 during the last 10 years." Others just do secular business. See a few here: http://www.unification.net/activities/ http://www.trancenet.org/moonism/uclist.htm http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Unification-Church/moonlist.txt http://www.tiac.net/users/shassan/moonfronts.html Here a list of fronts, organisations and companies on the web: http://www.worldfamily.org/ http://www.tparents.org http://www.vasia.com/ucrp http://www.familyfed.org/ http://www.religiousfreedom.com/ http://www.wcsf.org/ http://www.truefamilies.com/ http://www.purelove.org/ http://www.purelove.org/founders.html http://www.religiousfreedom.com/ http://www.worldcarp.inter.net/ http://web.idirect.com/~family/ http://web.idirect.com/~wfwp/ http://futurerealm.com/hrt_toc.htm http://futurerealm.com/peterbio.htm http://wtne-sales.com/ http://www.sunmoon.ac.kr/ http://worldcommunity.com/ http://www.bridgeport.edu/ http://www.ettl.co.at/uc/activities/ http://www.WashTimes-Weekly.com http://www.washtimes.com/ http://www.iijnet.or.jp/IHCC/ http://afcomm.com/afc/afchome.html http://www.worldandi.com/ http://www.uts.edu/ http://www.sandiego.sisna.com/hsa/ http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~j-carp/ http://www.cyberway.com.sg/~ilhwagin/ http://www.freeyellow.com/members/ascfkcmo/ http://www.kahr.com http://www.shooters.com/kahr http://www.tongil.or.kr/ http://www.bridgeport.edu/ http://www.pwpa.org/ http://www.sunmoon.ac.kr/ http://afcomm.com/afc/afchome.html http://www.uts.edu/ http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~j-carp/ http://www.j-net.co.jp/FFWP/ http://www.kj.org/ http://www.ic-net.or.jp/home/yfwp/ http://www.hsabooks.com http://www.vasia.com/ucrp/ http://www.new-hope-farm.com.br/ http://www.insight-mag.com http://www.kirovballet.com/ http://www.matchingservice.org http://www.auto-ordnance.com http://www.wewillstand.org http://www.idealspouse.com http://www.irff-europe.org 6. Did I hear "Washington Times" ? Yes. But don't confuse it with the legendary "Washington Post" or the "New York Times". The WT is a conservative newspaper financed by Moon. If a smear article can't make it into the mainstream press, it gets printed in the WT. If you want to fight the "liberals", apply there for a job. 7. What are the arguments about front groups and deceptive recruiting ? The following are actual Moonie arguments that came up, with my comments. This doesn't exist, because of Moon's statement: "Proclaim to the world, "I am a proud member for the Unification Church. That means I am a child of the True Parents." Don't try to hide that relationship. Anyone who takes a hiding place is automatically inviting the invasion of Satan. Do you understand? From now on you must say proudly, "I am a proud child of True Parents. Satan cannot touch me." Make up your mind about this. Can you do it, or not? Anybody who can do this, raise your hands high. Beautiful!" Allegation by Mike Doughney: "There were flyers for CARP that didn't mention Moon or the UC." A giant debate followed. Argument 1: "CARP is not equal to the UC" Comment: CARP is just a sham, and it does teach Moon's "divine principle". A2: "The UMC doesn't mention the founder, and the republican party doesn't do it either" C: This doesn't apply here. The point is to disclose what the movement is about. In this case it is Moon and his Unification Church. A3: "The flyers I have mention Moon" C: Sure, if it was to advertise for Moon speaking tour. Besides, I am not talking about flyers with his name, but about those without. A4: "I have my affiliation in my sig" C: Fine. But I did never accuse *you*. A5: "Deception was done in the past by single members" C: Too bad it is still done today. A6: "The whining about deception comes from former member Steve Hassan. In his book he shows that he did the deception himself" C: This is really *low*. Steve Hassan was one of the best members, he worked with Moon personally. Moon even gave him gifts. A7: "Who died and named you the rule-maker ?" "These are separate organisations". C: Well, now suddenly the rules are changed. Well these organisations may be different on paper, but they were founded by Moon, and serve as recruiting front. The is also called "debate by redefinition", i.e. suddenly changing its own position after being caught. A8: "You may not use Moon's rules to attack us, since you are not a Moonie yourself" C: Sure I can. I just show that an organisation sets rules, but doesn't follow them. Preaching water and secretly drinking wine. A9: "CARP is well-known as a Moon organisation" C: How could it be "well-known" if they don't tell their affiliation ? How would Moonies know what non-Moonies know ? Amazing is that this argument came from a software developper, i.e. a person who should know more about logic. A10: "I have been beaten up twice one day because I was a Moonie". C: While this is very sad, it is no excuse for deception. There are simple methods to prevent being beaten up, e.g. learn self-defense, or always going in pairs. 8. What reactions did *not* come from Moonies about deceptive recruiting ? No Moonie ever said: "That was not right. I will immediatetely phone the CARP group to stop that. Because Moon did say 'Don't try to hide that relationship'. I am sorry." Instead, the Moonies tried all sort of bogus arguments, even redefining their own rules. I suggested the following quote for street recruiting: "Hello, my name is John, I am a member of the Unification Church. My I invite you to a seminar ?" The answer was the usual "who died and appointed you the rule-maker" quote. Here a recent example of deceptive recruiting (thanks to jeb@ingress1.murdoch.edu.au): One shining example of deceptive recruiting is found in the Dec. 1993 Unification News. The writer tells us how to recruit creatively by placing ad's in local papers. He placed an ad which stated "Meet your ideal mate, find an Asian bride..." He then goes on to say "The first time I placed the Ideal Mate ad, I had 15 calls or leads. From that initial response we are now teaching the divine principle to three students." 9. What about "Unification" ? It's a sham. Just a method of saying "I want everyone to follow me". Not really new. 10. Is the UC christian ? No. Damian Anderson said that the UC is not a christian religion. Later he revised his statement and said it is not a "sect of christianity". I even say it is anti-christian. The "JC failed and Moon continues his work" is not liked by christians. I'd say Moon qualifies as a false prophet. Where would we be if every John Smith steps on stage and says: "I'm the real guy, forget JC" ? That the UC calls itself "... unification of world christianity" is just one of the many lies brought in the name of "Freedom of religion". Because "unification" means "unification under Moon", and not what some might think "all christians unite get together with their christian peers". I therefore submitted an entry to Yahoo for the "official" web site of the Moonies with the text "Holy Association for the Moonification of World Christianity". Yahoo accepted it and it stayed some time, before Moonies noticed :-) See the true colors of Moon, regarding Christianity: "Christians are all adopted children, not true children of God. Jesus and the Lord of the Second Advent are God's true sons. They are in Abel's position. The adopted children are in Cain's position. Adopted children still have the right to receive the inheritance if they take the right procedure". (Master Speaks 2, page 9.) "Until our mission with the Christian church is over, we must quote the Bible and use it to explain the Divine Principle. After we receive the inheritance of the Christian church, we will be free to teach without the Bible". (Master Speaks 7, page 1.) "As Christians we prayed in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit. Now we should pray in the name of the True Parents". (Master Speaks 3, page 2.) The accuracy of these quotes was confirmed by UC member Ed Poor, edmund.poor@computerconcepts.com: "I can only confirm that they sound like something Rev. Moon would say, and that IMHO they are consistent with UC teachings" and even more by Steven Martin who even posted longer excerpts. This has not been answered, but I guess that in islamic countries, he represents himself as the guy who continues Mohammed's work; in Buddhist countries as the guy who continues Buddha's work. Sure is (it comes from dfeff@aol.com a former CARP director) that a version of the DP was published a few years ago which uses the *Muslim* scriptures. Ed Poor says that this version was from an individual member and later retracted. According to Catherine Hampton who is one moderator of soc.religion.islam, Damian has claimed that Unification Church was Islamic, therefore his moonie propaganda should be posted there. 11. Is Sun Myung Moon a reverend ? No. He was expelled from the presbyterian Church in 1948. He never graduated from any theological faculty, nor was he ever ordained. [Thomas Gandow: "Mun Bewegung" p. 21,24] 12. How often was Moon married ? 1: 1945 - 1955 Choe Song Gil 2: 1948 Kim Yong On 3: 1955 - 1959 Kim Myung Hee 4: 1960 - now Hak Ja Han [Gandow p. 147, citing Rüdiger Hauth] A text from an early Moonie about the first wife can be found here: http://www.unification.net/fcolf/fcolf-21.html It shows that Moon simply left her alone for years to do his cult business. According to dfeff@aol.com (About #3): "they were apparently not legally married but intended to be" Damian Anderson about #2: >I think you are mistaken about Kim Young Oon. You misspelled her name. >I knew her quite well. She was better known in the West as Dr. Young >Oon Kim, and she was never Rev. Moon's wife. She was a professor of >Unification Theology at the Unification Theelogical Seminary until >she took ill and went to live for her final days in Korea before >her passing in September 1989. I was a student of hers at UTS >from 1982 to 1984. She was the author of several books, and one >of the first three Unification missionaries to the USA, along >with David Sang Chul Kim and Col. Bo Hi Pak. 13. Wait a minute ! Is Moon a bigamist ? Yes. Because of a plaint of the real husband (!) of Mrs. Moon#2, he was thrown to jail (got 5 years), and Mrs. Moon#2 got 10 months in 1948. He was freeded in the Korean war. [Gandow p. 24] According to dfeff@aol.com: "wives often stayed at the church center overnight for prayer vigils -- and the husbands grew jealous enough to go to the police". The german government booklet says that some sources say that the bigamy allegation was dropped later. 14. Will Moonies believe that there is a connection to him being freed from jail and the K-War ? Yes. Moonies believe that the Korean war broke out to free Moon. A classical "post-hoc" fallacy. [Gandow p. 24] Ed Poor disputes this, and says that it is the position of the church only that the air strike that freed Sun-Myung Moon from Heung-Nam Prison Camp was divinely inspired -- not the whole war. 15. What is the big problem with the CARP newspaper ? The paper is not soft enough and full of ink. 16. What debate techniques are used by the Moonies ? a) Kim Baker's evaluation The following text written by Kim Baker did originally apply to alt.religion.scientology, but one could see quickly that it applies to many newsgroups. There are several recognised techniques getting the person furious. I have personally observed it. These may sound like no big deal, but take a moment to think about it - they're so simple, but they work every time, if the person is not aware of them. - Ignore completely what a person is saying. - Twist what they say to make it sound like something else, and stick to that - the person will get furious at being permanently misunderstood. - Take what the person says, and make nothing of it - Interrupt a person constantly while they are trying to say something - in an electronic medium, that would mean snipping the text and focusing on some obscure point, and not the basic gist of the message. Now before you laugh, think well on those. Try it in a conversation with a friend, and watch them froth. b) "out of context" When someone gets a text that is not contested, they will scream "out of context" or "he didn't mean that". out of context: The "context" will be that no one is allowed to judge Moonie scriptures who isn't involved, e.g. because Moon has an experience for decades and an outside person hasn't a clue. he didn't mean that: A pathetical attempt to redefine the words that are exposing the Moon organisation for what they are. c) "no critic is qualified anyway" c1) Johnny Skeptic not credible, because he wasn't in the movement c2) Johnny Journalist not credible. He is paid to write on it, and the press is biased anyway c3) Johnny Ex-Member not credible. He left because he couldn't keep up with the high standards c4) Johnny Bookwriter not credible. He writes books to sell them around the world c5) Johnny Deprogrammer not credible. He makes money by kidnapping people out of cults c6) Johnny Exit-Counsellor not credible. He makes money by persuading people to drop their religious beliefs c7) Johnny Parliament-Member not credible. He just want to speak around to get elected next time. c8) Johnny Not-Elected-Government-Official not credible. He just wants to oppress. New religions are traditionally oppressed by governments - the early christians were thrown to the lions. c9) Johnny Lawyer not credible. Lawyers are just paid to argue, sometimes they are paid a share only on success c10) Johnny Judge not credible. He just fell for the arguments of Johnny Lawyer, Johnny Not-Elected-Government-Official, Johnny Exit-Counsellor, Johnny Deprogrammer, Johnny Bookwriter, Johnny Journalist, Johnny Skeptic and Johnny Ex-Member. When I originally posted this, I asked who would be qualified to critizize AUM, Jonestown or the Solar Temple. I did not get a response. 17. What happens when Moon dies ? Mostly nothing. A small article in the newspapers, a long article in the Washington Times. 18. What happens after Moon died ? In an incredible mudslinging, his heirs will sue each other until all the money is gone to the lawyers. The Washington Times will become a successful supermarket tabloid. Many Moonies will go back to normal life, returning to their families, having sleep, reading real books, watching the real world, maybe joining local churches, etc. A few who can't deal with reality will make their own splinter cults. 19. What is "heavenly deception" ? Lying for Moon. Still practiced today. Even practiced on this newsgroup by the Moonies. For it, Eric Richardson got from Mike Doughney the "lying Moonie son of a bitch" award. He returned it by giving Mike the "hateful small-minded person who decides they can make the rules" award. Moon himself: mentioned by Steve Hassan: "If you tell a lie to make a person better it is not sin... even God tells lies very often." (Moon in Master Speaks, 3-16-72 pg.11) mentioned by craigmaxim@bigfoot.com: "So telling a lie becomes a sin if you tell it to take advantage of a person, but IF YOU TELL A LIE to do a good thing for him that is NOT A SIN ." (Master Speaks 3/16/72) "Evil has DECEIVED goodness into evil. But goodness has not been able to DECEIVE evil into goodness . Perhaps this is why Christianity couldn't accomplish God's will bravely until today . " (Way of God's Will) "...Jesus in order to MAKE HIS DESCIPLES BELIEVE that the second coming would be fulfilled right away..." (D.P. Second Advent chapter 4) Eric claimed that CARP would disclose its affiliation to Moon and the UC, Mike showed that not. After that, Eric started some new arguments that contradicted all he had said before. Before: >In some places, they are required by the campus to do so. But in all >places, CARP has had the instruction to clearly identify themselves with >Rev. Moon and the Unification Church for as long as I have been a member, >over 15 years. Every campus I have seen CARP members working, they do. After: > Each of the groups you have named is a legal corporate entity >with a different purpose and function and funding from the Unification >Church. It would be false to say it was the Unification Church; but the >relationship with the founder of the UC and that it was inspired by the >principles he espouses is not hidden. If you have a problem with that, too >bad. A new argument about the deception now came up from ca347@torfree.net (Reed Darsey): >I'm not sure if that is the same 1972 speech I read, but the example >of giving someone a diamond necklace but telling them it is glass was >used. If everyone were to give *more* than they say they are, would >the world be a better place? We already see what it is like with >people trying to give *less*. Here an example for a lie that would use that argument. You tell someone: "Join us for free food", while actually you are giving him free food, a few speeches, and a religion to hang on. While this may be OK for Moon, it is not OK for me, and I call that "heavenly deception". Another person (Attila Mina ) did also like it: >Ps.: I like your signature and your final quotation very much: > "If you tell a lie to make a person better it is not sin... even God >tells lies very often." (Moon in Master Speaks, 3-16-72 pg.11) >Do you know what does it mean? There are many evidents in the Bible >when God 'lies' in order to make people better. Read the story about >Ninive (book of Jonah). God foretold that Ninive would be destroyed. >Finally He did not do it. Also read Ezekiel 33:11-19. That i sone of my >favorite places in the Biblie. Well, if you are not religious (sorry, I >could not decide, but maybe you were sometimes) then think about human >freedom and responsibility. And when someone gets out after years, and speaks out about the heavenly deception, he might get an answer, like this by fortl@nyc.pipeline.com (Frank Kaufmann): When I chat with ex-members, it is NOT to defend the UC. It is not even to deny what they say about abusive leadership. I simply want to say, "Get a life. Be a man (woman). Say you made a mistake and move on. Don't blame others. Don't say your were tricked or manipulated [LET ALONE FOR YEARS!!]. Live with what you decided and what you did. Don't blame others. Use those years for whatever lessons there are to be learned, and try to be smarter next time." This attitude is called "blame the victim". But there's more: see it from the point of view of the one who performs the scam. He does it, and has no guilt. He thinks "if they fall for it, it's their own fault". Cheat the victim, blame the victim. Pfew. 20. Is Moon a convicted felon ? Yes. There were already some "problems" in the early days, but lets give him the benefit of doubt, since it might well be possible that this was government abuse. Here the short version from Dennis Smith: Let's try to secretly buy a bank, forget that it will be against the law. Uh Oh they're on to us, ok I'll tell them the money was all mine and had nothing to do with the church. Uh Oh what do you mean I have to pay taxes on it. Uh Oh this cell is real small and why does this guy keep referring to me as his girlfriend. The long version: The Securities and Exchange Commission investigated allegations that members of the Unification Movement purchased stock in the Diplomat National Bank for the church. During the investigation the members who had purchased stock in the bank were deposed and stated they purchased the stock in their own names and not on behalf of the church. Ultimately the SEC entered into a consent decree with Unification Church International wherein they agreed to abide by SEC regulations. Moon got jammed up during this investigation when he admitted the money he used to purchased the Diplomat stock was personal and did not belong to the church. Only problem was he had not paid tax on it. He also failed to paid tax on $50,000 with of stock he received. Moon was convicted in July 1982 for tax evasion, conspiracy to tax evasion and obstruction of justice to 18 months jail and a fine of $25,000. According to Dennis Smith, Rev. Moon was convicted of: 1. Conspiracy to make false statements to government agencies in violation of 18 U.S.C. 371 and 1001. 2. Conspiracy to make false statements to a federal grand jury in violation of 18 U.S.C. 371 and 1823. 3. Conspiracy to obstruct justice in violation of 18 U.S.C. 371 and 1503. 4. Conspiracy to file false federal income tax returns in violation of 18 U.S.C. 371 and 26 U.S.C. 7206(1). After appealing all the way up, he went to jail on 20.7.1984. Because of good conduct, he served only 11 months in a low-security prison and 6 weeks in a half-way house. Local Moon officials claim that his cubicle was the cleanest of 200. Here is what Reuter said on 20.2.1985 about the conviction: In his six-week jury trial the government said Moon had failed to report about 112,000 dollars of interest on bank accounts in his name, and 50,000 dollars in shares held in his name from 1973 through 1975. An amusing side-note is that Moon was successfully prosecuted by the same Assistant U.S. Attorney who also prosecuted Leona Helmsley: James DeVita. Steve Hassan mentions the forgeries involved: The government proved its case by showing cancelled checks that the money was used only for Moon's family. The phoney accounting records were exposed by the government as a fraud because the watermarks on the paper showed that the paper had not even been manufactured yet for the years that Moon claimed his records were made. In other words, Moon was caught conspiring to defraud the government. Michael Warder, long term member and leader, testified that he wanted to take money from that account to pay for church functions and was explicitly told that it was "Father's" personal account. 21. What arguments are used about his trial ? It is of course quite annoying that the leader is a criminal. Therefore, Moonies try the "religious persecution" joker-card, instead of kicking Moon out and appoint an honest man as leader. A1: "Jesus was also convicted" Moon has a lot of $$ to defend himself. Jesus was alone, and there wasn't even a real justice at that time. A2: "his case was not a criminal but a civil case." [From Laszlo Weress] Whoa there ! No one goes to jail for civil cases. In this case it was The People vs. Sun Myung Moon. A3: "It was not a fair trial. He asked for a judge trial, but got a jury trial. This was unheard of before." Lawyers can refuse jury members. There are a lot of people who have no opinion about Moon, simply because they don't follow the news, except the baseball scores. It is also interesting that the Moonies have never posted the reason why the judge refused it. Moon has claimed he is the victim of a "Government Conspiracy". The Judge was simply fair and did the only reasonable thing: "Trial by a jury of your peers" A4: "Read the book 'inquisition' by Carlton Sherwood". What was not said is that this book was paid for by the Washington Times. Sherwood claims that he accepted a temporary staff position, because he "hoped to accomplish what until then no reporter had been able to do: to penetrate the organizational and financial structure of the Unification Church" (p. 16). In other words, he wanted to uncover new dirt on Moon and add him to his trophy case. This is not credible: Sherwood had a history of publishing about religious corruption. The WT would never had hired him without getting data about his past. What has most probably happened is that they have provided him with more PR than anyone else - he basically became a Moonie mouthpiece. A review of this book (not even totally negative) by the "Christian Research Institute" can be found at http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/cri/cri-jrnl/crj0133a.txt Here is the opinion of Dennis Smith : I have read the book "Inquisition." I found it to be an interesting book but I do have several concerns. There is a tremendous amount of information about the Unification Movement publicly available to anyone willing to take the time to locate it. A good portion of the information is generated from disinterested third parties. The book does not reflect any type of analysis of the volumes of information that are available. I am also troubled by the apparent lack of interest in the issue by the author after the book was published. Most authors promote their books and respond to critisim. Sherwood has never been heard from. As far as I know he has never given an interview about the book. Never gave a speech to any organization about the book, and never responded to any allegations that he simply wrote the book for the SMM and took the money and ran. There is little evidence to suggest Sherwood did any research on his own for the book he wrote. A review of the book shows he does not include any of the volumes of information from federal agencies and others that were supposedly persecuting Moon. A reporter of Sherwood supposed stature should have interviewed persons and collected information from as many people and sources as possible. How could someone write a book about such a controversial subject like Sun Myung Moon and not interview his opponents. I have sent FOIA requests to federal agencies to see if he had filed any FOIA requests for information. At this point absent statements from Sherwood himself I have been unable to determine where he got his information. A5: "It was only $7400 in withheld taxes in three years" Andy Bacus came up with the $7400 figure, which is actually from Sherwood's book. Interesting is that the amount of not declared money is over $162,000, of which $112,000 is interest from $2,000,000 bank account and $50,000 in shares. This brings up the question if US taxes is only 4.5% ? I doubt it. Besides, another person (Damian Anderson) said that the amount was $12,000. Seems they can't get their lies straight. Anyway, no one has come up with the court papers, so anything could be claimed. It was also observed that the "conspiracy part" and the "obstruction of justice" part was not mentioned by the Moonies first. After it came up, Andy said that that is "no big thing". Considering the Reuter quote, I'd say that someone is not telling the truth. A6: "He did not have to come back from Korea to serve a jailterm but he did" [From Laszlo Weress] Should we be thankful because Moon did not add another crime to his past criminal history ? Besides, it is also quite possible that Moon stayed because he had hoped to win. A7: "There were several amicus briefs by religious organisations to the court" Paying taxes has nothing to do with religion. Btw, one of them was the infamous "moral majority" Jerry Falwell. Dennis Smith on 1996/10/26: The majority of the amici briefs filed on Moon's behalf dealt with a single issue of the petition for certiorari before the Supreme Court. These centered around the belief that the Religion Clauses do not permit the jury to substitute its lay views for the religious views of a church and its members as to how property and authority should be allocated within the church. For an exhaustive review of the case and amici briefs see United States v. Sun Myung Moon: Precedent for Tax Fraud Prosecution of Local Pastors? Southern Illinois University School of Law, 1984, Alfred J. Sciarrino. Two other points are worth mentioning here. Many amici briefs support the speculative fear that the precedent of this case would result in harassment and intimidation of churches by the government. Time has found these fears to be without merit. Several amici briefs were filed by petitioners with direct ties to Sun Myung Moon and are bias. These included Senator Orrin G. Hatch, Eugene McCarthy, Coalition for Religious Freedom, and Christian Voice, Inc. Dennis Smith on 1996/12/9: Many of the amici filers were merely interested in protecting their little piece of the pie. A8: "He was imprisoned on tax charges that were later found by a Senate committee chaired by Sen. Orrin Hatch to be unjust." Irrelevant. Moon had his day in court. Senate committees don't decide whether someone is guilty or innocent. Since Moon's theocracy hasn't started yet, Justice / Legislative / Executive are separated. Besides, Orrin Hatch is hardly neutral - he is a great admirer of Moon. A9: "He was holding money in his own name, something many ministers do, when the government never disputed that the money was used for church purposes, yet they charged that he owed personal income taxes of $12,000 on the money. Why not send him a bill?" The facts are different. Dennis Smith investigated that in an SEC investigation connected to his takeover of the Diplomat National Bank, Moon claimed the money was his, but in the IRS investigation, he claimed the money was church money. He couldn't have it both ways. IMO, he could probably get away with a fine - if he hadn't make things worse with his obstruction of justice. (Internet post available on request) A10: "Moon was pardoned after serving his sentence" This argument came up by Rich Rubash. It later turned out to be an ordinary PR lie - it was just a few religious leaders, among them Jerry Falwell, who "pardoned" him. A11: "Sen. Orrin Hatch and Eugene McCarthy, virtually ideological opposites, Hatch a "conservative" Republican, McCarthy a "liberal" Democrat, both filed Amici briefs." [From Dennis Smith:] Let's see, we certainly have two amici brief filers here that are bias. Hatch has been a Moon apologist for years. McCarthy became the head of Moon's now defunct Global Economic Action Institute. McCarthy took over for the first president, Robert B. Anderson, after he pled guilty to tax evasion charges. A12: "He was indicted while others who also withheld taxes were not" This allegation, even if true, does not change that he withheld taxes. The logic of that allegation is similar of smoking in a non-smoker's office room, and saying that pollution on the streets is worse. If other went away with it, then *these* people should be prosecuted. A13: "The IRS moved against Rev. Moon not because of any so called conspiracy, but because the anti-cult movement got certain US politicians to pressure the IRS and other agencies to "get" Rev. Moon" A variation of A12, blaming Bob Dole and Donald Fraser. But Moon didn't have to withheld taxes. The anti-cult movement didn't force him to. 22. What about George Bush ? George Bush spoke at the WfWP in Japan. WfWP officials denied that it is a front group, and said that it was founded by Moon's wife. But in a speech available at FACTNet (http://www.xenu.org/factnet/), Moon said he founded the movement himself. Moonies say that Bush was well aware what was going on: he was head of the CIA, which implies he isn't a clueless guy. Well, the CIA is rather clueless (see the affair on the soviet spy), and Bush also (see the affair about "Najira"s incubators in the Gulf war). The answer is simple and in latin: "non olet". Bush isn't the first president who accepted "problem" money. Just remember Reagan's japanese $2 million tour, betraying the american workers. 23. Who is Steve Hassan ? A famous exit-counsellor and writer of the basic work ("Combatting Cult Mind Control"). See his web page at http://www.shassan.com/ http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0892813113/thexenubookstore/ 24. What was the joke with "Merchant of Chaos" ? "Merchant of Chaos" is an ex-scientologist from New York. In the discussion about front groups, one Moonie suggested that we should "look up the affiliation in an electronic database". Moonies complained that MoC didn't post under his real name. I told that the real name was available in the newsgroup "alt.religion.scientology", that they should simply scan about 3000 messages (I did not tell that the name was in a message of me and a message of MoC). Later, there was a second hint: MoC posted an announcement for an event where he would speak about cults. His name was on the web page in the announcement. (I didn't tell that). But no Moonie managed to get the name. They were either too lazy or too dumb. Anyway, the Moonies keep whining, and I don't tell the name, and that makes them mad. Andy pretends that MoC is a CAN recruiter - although MoC isn't even a member of CAN. What they don't understand is that some people really want to stay anon. Finally, Andy found it out and told MoC's real name - Paul Grosswald. 25. Who is Andy Bacus ? Andy Bacus claims to be a lawyer, but speaks very often with his foot in his mouth, and has a very surprising sense of logic. My nickname for him is Andy "I-can't-believe-it's-a-lawyer" Bacus. Of course name-calling isn't an argument, but it adds a nice flavour to one. Andy quote #1: Are you aware that deprogrammer Ted Patrick is the founder of CAN? when asked for evidence, he asked me to prove the opposite ! Are you suggesting that Ted Patrick was *not* the founder of CAN? If that is your position, please document your source of that information. Who told you that? Did a representative of CAN tell you that? when asked for evidence again, he answered: Are you aware that CAN's original name was "Citizen's Freedom Foundation" before they had it legally changed? Have you read Ted Patrick's book? when asked for evidence again, he answered: Yes, the co-founder is convicted felon (for cocaine possession, kidnapping, and other charges) Ted Patrick. That, according to Patrick and the New York Times. when asked for the evidence one more, he answered: How unethical it is for you to quote me so far out of context. Let's review the history of the dialogue you purport to quote. Originally, I stated that Ted Patrick (a man who claims to have kidnapped and involuntarily deprogrammed hundreds of people) was a founder of the Cult Awareness Network (CAN). I expected you to object to that statement - perhaps asking for proof. But you did not just object and ask for proof, you affirmatively denied what I said was true and cynically trashed me for even suggesting that it was. [My part of the game was that I *never* objected. I asked for the proof. After more blabla, here another "no evidence":] As for the proof that Patrick was one of the founders (if not *the* founder) of CAN, I give you the New York Times, September 2, 1974 wherein it is stated: "The group, called the Citizen's Freedom Foundation, was organized by Ted Patrick, who has specialized in taking young people out of such groups, 'deprogramming' them and returning them to their parents." Citizen's Freedom Foundation was of course the original corporate name of CAN before it was changed to the Cult Awareness Network. Well, I never asked about CFF, nor do I have the possibility to check the existance of that newspaper. Note that Andy now has changed "the" to "a", a first indication that he lied. Suspicious is that Andy never came up with CAN's incorporation papers. Anyway, after some time I had to verify this once and for all. I asked Priscilla Coates of the LA branch of the Cult Awareness Network, and she responded, and allowed me to use her e-mail. Here an excerpt: Our lawyers have the minutes of the first and organizing meeting in 1974 of Citizens Freedom Foundation. That was the previous name of CAN. It had that name from 1974 until 1986. In 1984 and 1985, we used both names to help people understand the name change. The minutes of that first meeting show that Ted Patrick did appear. He arrived late and interupted the person who was speaking. He said he never wanted to have anything to do with any group of parents or any organization. Then he left the meeting. The NY Times correspondent asked one of the organizers, one Henrietta Crampton, if Patrick had been an influence on the decision to form a group. She said yes. I disclosed this (without telling the source, to prevent the usual attacks). It came out that Andy had withheld that this NY Times article *did* mention Henrietta Crampton, and clearly said that it was *her* opinion: "Mrs. Crampton said that Mr. Patrick had been the prime force in organizing the group." This shows two things. 1. It was an opinion of Henrietta Crampton, and was clearly stated as such. 2. Andy's definition of "founder" is only an *opinion*. And my opinion is that if we take 10 different CAN veteran members, we will get at least three different opinions who the prime force was. Besides, how can someone be named as "founder" who didn't want to be associated with it ? Here is more from Priscilla's e-mail: CAN (CFF) was organized by families from all over the U.S. who had become concerned about unsafe groups or as they put it, "spiritual frauds." I wrote a whole chapter for Anson Shupe and David Bromley in a book they edited called "Anti-Cult Movements in Cross Cultural Perspective." My chapter is the history of the Cult Awareness Network. The reveiwer in the Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion, Jeffrey S. Victor, calls my chapter *prideful*. Andy quote #2 (after I said that Moon, a convicted felon, should judge no one): OK, let's explore this observation. Let's say a man (Frank) goes out and kills someone. At the scene of the crime he plants evidence implicating his next door neighbor, Jack. The police later find this evidence and following a lengthy trial, Jack is convicted and sentenced to life in prison. Now, getting back to your statement, who would be qualified to "judge" someone, Jack or Frank? Well, I suspect that you will say Jack - though a convicted felon - is more qualified then Frank. The moral of the story: a conviction does not necessarily mean that a person is either guilty, or lacking the authority to "judge". Now where should you go with this bit of wisdom? To Carlton Sherwood's book so you can look into whether Rev. Moon is Jack or Frank. [WARNING: CAN / The Cult Awareness Network has been taken over by scientology] 26. What about those mass marriages ? It is very wrong to call these a marriage, even if the the girls look like brides, for two reasons: - According to Damian Anderson, more than half of the 400,000 couples were already married - The technical term is "blessing" and "pledge". Moon blesses them, and the couple pledge to live according to Moon's rules. In the german text is alsolutely nothing about "I take you as my spouse". So it is less a bond between spouses, more a bond between a couple and Moon's organisation. Here is the english text of the "blessing", posted by Eric Richardson. Message-ID: Wedding Vows 1) Do you, as mature men and women who are to consummate the ideal of the creation of God, pledge to become an eternal husband and wife? 2) Do you pledge to become a true husband and wife, and raise your children to live up to the Will of God, and educate them to become responsible leaders in front of the Unification Famity, all mankind, and Almighty God ? 3) Do you pledge that, centering upon True Parents, you will inherit the tradition of the Unification Family, and pass this proud tradition down to the future generations of the Unification Family and to mankind? 4) Do you pledge that, centering upon the ideal of creation, you will inherit the Will of the True Parents, loving the people of the world as God and True Parents do, and ultimately consummate the ideal family which is the building block of the Kingdom of God on earth and in heaven ? You will notice that while (1) is just religious, but (2), (3), (4) deals with Moonie concepts: the "Unification Family" (the Moonies) and the "True Parents" (Moon and his wife). Another version of the pledge can be found here: http://www.unification.net/misc/fampledge.html It should also be mentioned that when Moon "matches" couples, that these do not know each other, are sometimes of different continents, and sometimes cannot attend the "blessing". I personally saw on TV a cute russian girl holding a photo of her partner at a blessing. Moon claims to be a "psychic". He matches the people by looking at the photos. This brings of course the usual risk, i.e. that people live unhappily together, because they didn't get to know each other before. That the divorce rate isn't enormous is because the couple is busy with Moonie activities most of the time so that they don't come to have disputes. Before the blessing ceremony comes the "holy wine ceremony", in which the partners offer each other a liquid that contains 21 different substances, including *actual blood* from Moon and his wife. This ceremony should tighten the "adoption" of the couples. On big events it is only performed by a representative bride. Early members once had a ceremony involving diluting Ms. Moon's milk in cow milk at the time their first child Je-Jin was born. As you imagine, their are technical reasons preventing this to be a regular ceremony, and that source has now dried up anyway :-) [Gandow p. 66] [Note that sources are sometimes only for a part of the paragraph] 27. What about sex ? It is somewhat confusing, because I have to pull the details slowly out of the Moonie noses. As I understand it, there should be no sex before marriage / blessing. After that, there is again no sex, for a "separation period". It is unclear whether the couples live together at that time or not. Andy Bacus (and some critical literature) claim that this period is shortened for older couples. Andy brought an example of a 30 year old couple who had to be separated for 40 days only. More details were not available, like who decides according to what rules. A russian Moonie girl (Olga Sachina) said on SPIEGEL TV that they have to wait three years. An ex-Moonie woman said on one german TV show that they had to *ask* their superiors, that they had to beg and threaten to get the permission to start sex. And this is confirmed by Moon himself: REV. MOON TESTIFIES The Boston Globe Thursday, May 27, 1982 Under the threat of being jailed for contempt, Rev. Sun Myung Moon testified yesterday that he and other Unification Church leaders decide which members can marry and when they can have sex. "It is in accordance with the principles of our religion," he testified in federal court at the civil trial of a "deprogrammer" who allegedly abducted a church member. (The PR loss for the Moonies was so big that two days later they dismissed their lawsuit (against Galen Kelly) with prejudice.) At the end of the separation period comes the three-day ceremony: http://www.unification.net/1978/780520_2.html "Your position of meeting as husband and wife, on the first and second nights, will be with the wife in the upper position and her husband in the lower position. This represents formation and growth. The fallen action came at the top of growth stage position. However, on the third night, which represents perfection, there should be restoration of dominion. Adam should restore dominion, so the husband is in the upper and the woman in the lower position." Another Moon quote with supports his view on man and woman in a document not contested by Moonies: DP, p 25 and 26: "God created the woman Eve as an object ... from Adam, who was the subject." 28. Scientology and the UC as bedfellows - it this for real ? Yes. There have a common event called "Conference on Religious Freedom and Human Rights" which discusses "minority religions". [Gandow p.154] In France they founded a organisation called FIREPHIM. The problem is that anti "Le Pen" (a french right wing politician) activists got angry and burned their stuff at an anti-racist demonstration. Today, FIREPHIM doesn't exist any more, after the Moonies left. You can also notice that some of their arguments seem to come from "Freedom Magazine" (like that CAN was founded by Ted Patrick) or from the infamous "CAN reform group". The Moonies also participated together with the Larouchies in the "Cynthia Kisser topless dancer" smear attack from 1992, which came from scientology. They had to apologize in 1995. Andy Bacus confirmed an anonymous allegation that he had a phone call with he has had conversations with Sue Taylor and with John Carmichael. 29. What about the M16 gun plant ? I don't have details yet. The Moonie line is: - that they only manufactured a spring - that they are required to by the Korean government - that the north Korean government is an agressor - that it is legal - that it is ethical - that Moses, Jesus and Mohammed also had weapons - that peace thru strength is wise Steve Hassan tried to get more information under the FOIA act, but failed. It is also interesting that the Moonies try to avoid the point that this is a business. A profitable business. No information has been posted that the weapons are used only in Korea. No information has been posted that Moonie weapons have a label "kill only North-Koreans". Btw, you don't *have* to use an M16. You can also use the Kahr K9 to kill your ennemies - it is manufactured by Saeilo, a moonie company run by Moon's son Kook Jin ("Justin Moon"). Here a review by William Barwell: The Kahr is a small 9mm pistol about the size of a Walther PPK/S, a bit bigger but thicker and heavier. It holds 10 rounds. It is well built and not particularly cheap. It is considered a good quality 9mm with concealable qualities. I have handled one at a gun show and consider it too heavy for a good concealed carry, but in cooler climates it would be OK for that. It has a good reputation as a reliable and accurate small pistol. It's main draw is that it is not much bigger than the PPK/S but is a a 9mm semiauto. It is an all metal gun which makes it a bit unusual in that most small pistols nowadays are going to the polymer frame system most notably employeed by Glock. More guns by Tongil: http://www.tongil.co.kr/english/d22c.htm 30. What about the "Master Speaks" quotes ? "Master Speaks" were a series of tapes by Moon. Steve Hassan owns a collection of english translations / transcripts. They are great to show his true face, and to show what an evil guy he is. Example: "The whole world is in my hand, and I will conquer and subjugate the world." [MS 17.5.73] For good reason these tapes are no longer distributed. The official reason is that the translations were poor, and that Steve Hassan's quoting of it (see above) is out of context. But they have always failed to provide the context. Instead, Andy has threatened to sue Steve Hassan for libel (and not for copyright violations, as the scientologists tried with the Washington Post). 31. Who wrote the "divine principle" ? Technically spoken, no one, because it is only an "introduction to the yet-to-come-real-thing": The Divine Principle revealed in this book is only part of the new truth. We have recorded here what Sun Myung Moon's disciples have hitherto heard and witnessed. We believe with happy expectation that, as time goes on, deeper parts of the truth will be continually revealed. It is our earnest prayer that the light of truth will quickly fill the earth. According to Damian Anderson: For your information, Rev. Moon taught his early disciples the Divine Principle, and Rev. Hyo Won Eu wrote them down and Rev. Moon checked over his work at each step. So, you may say that it was co-written by the two men, but the ideas were Rev. Moon's. You may ask why he did not write it himself, and I would have to say that I don't know. Some detractors claim that the DP was just a plagiarism of the books "Divine basic principles" and "Theology of the holy spirit" by Kim Baek-Moon, who had his own religious community in Korea. Anyway, one part seems to be original: With the fullness of time, God has sent His messenger to resolve the fundamental questions of life and the universe. His name is Sun Myung Moon. [Gandow p. 23 and 38 on the detractors part] 32. What's the best newsreader for Windows ? Forté Agent. Costs only $29. Offers more than any cult! Allows to keep the cultie arguments on your hard disk to take them apart later! Now with killfiles! 33. What about that movie ? Moon produced a movie: Inchon, in 1982. It flopped. Here the Leonard Maltin review from CINEMANIA: Empty-headed Korean war epic produced by Rev. Sung Myung Moon's Unification Church. Olivier looks like a wax museum figure in his makeup as Gen. Douglas MacArthur. Laughable script punctuated by epic-scale battle scenes. Parade Magazine: the biggest loser at the box office in America was Inchon, produced by the Rev. Sung Myung Moon's Unification Church and starring the late Laurence Olivier, who didn't know what the film was all about except that he was being paid $1 million to play Gen. Douglas MacArthur. Inchon lost about $44 million and stimulated such criticisms as: "The worst move ever made...a turkey the size of Godzilla" (Jack Kroll, Newsweek); "Quite possibly the worst film ever made...stupefyingly incompetent" (Peter Rainier, Los Angeles Herald Examiner); "As military spectacles go, one of the sorriest in military history" (Richard Schickel, Time). See also here: http://www.geocities.com/craigmaxim/m-8a.html 34. What is "The driving principle" ? Another one of Tilman's rather sick joke-words for topics that are dead-serious: Moonie car behaviour. a) Steve Hassan "I drove like a model Moonie, fearless, excessive, having faith that I was doing God's will and believing that the spirit world would protect me. Common sense rules of driving safely did not pertain." The result: on April 23, 1976 he had a near fatal car crash. Steve had not slept for two days. He did sleep, and as he woke up, he saw the tail lights of a truck. It was too late. The rescue team had to peel him out with the can-opener. "The week of my accident, the insurance adjuster told me that the Unification Church was having three major automotive accidents a week." Luckily, this allowed him to get back to his family, who took the opportunity to "deprogram" him. b) Won-seok Lee January 5, 1992, this guy drove an overcrowded Moonie van, injuring 22 and killing David Ang, 21. Even more sad is that David Ang was *born* into the cult - 21 years of service for the Moon empire. His parents are still in the cult, which makes me even more sad. (Moonie posters deny that they were on a fund raising, they say that they came from the movies and the road was icy) (His sister denies that the passengers were an MFT team, and insists that the people in the van were just a group of UC friends going to a movie) c) Hyo Jin Nim (Moon's 1st son - thanks peegee@li.net for this info !) Arrested for drunk driving in 1993 - IMO a very serious and absolutely *irresponsible* attitude. Arrested again in Dec 1995 - for driving without a license. The Westchester County police had conducted a sting operation: They told over a hundred people with drunk driving convictions that they had to meet with their parole officers. Most arrived on foot, by public transportation, or had a friend drive them. But about 15 people were arrogant enough to actually DRIVE to and from their meeting with their parole officer, even though their licenses were suspended or revoked! Went to jail on 12.11.1997, for having accumulated too many concurrent probations. d) Heung Jin Nim, Moon's 2nd son, died in Poughkeepsie in 1984 at age 17 when the car he was driving collided with a truck. Prof. Frederick Sontag: "He had a fancy sports car and was driving too fast" e) One singaporean was killed, two injured on a trip of the (banned) Unification Church. http://www.xenu.org/factnet/AFF/FILES/CO0891/CO0891AC.TXT f) "I was in N.Y. to visit the "False Family" and slept in their "old" mansion Belvedeer overnight ! While there I talked with Moon's limo driver . He told me that they were "required" to get him from point A to point B as quickly as possible, and regularly drove over 100 mph to do so ! I asked about their driving records (tickets). He said Moon uses a driver until they lose their liscences for speeding and just gets a new driver after that. For this reason their is a large turnover of drivers for him!" (from craigmaxim@bigfoot.com) g) "I left after being Director of Transportation for the 43rd St. Center in Manhattan in 1978 also. I was also Mr. Sudo and Mr. Sawada's personal driver. I totaled Mr. Kamayama's Volvo on my way to Harvard's Divinity Circle driving a newly blessed spouse and another UC divinity student. No one got hurt luckily." (from Danny H ; the cause was a risky lane change) h) "Peter Kim and Hyo Jin sat in the front of the blue Mercedes. I sat alone in the back. They spoke in English for the 1100 mile trip down the East Coast. My sense of isolation was complete." (From Nansook Hong in her book) i) Rev. Joon Sung Kim speaking about the Jardim project: "The police are usually quite strict; there is a 80 km speed limit. If I drive Father, I have to go pretty fast, as fast as 150 km per hour and I don’t even have a license. When they catch me, they let me go, because they know Father is doing great things for their country." http://www.tparents.org/library/unification/publications/unews/unws9901/kim%2Djardim.htm 37. 38. Any books ? In the shadows of the Moons, by Nansook Hong (ex-wife of Hyo Jin, Sun Myung Moon's eldest son) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0316348163/thexenubookstore/ From av282@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Martin G. V. Hunt): Moonstruck: a Memoir of My Life in a Cult. Wood, Allen Tate with Jack Vitek. William Morrow, New York. 1979. (Read for parallels between the Moonie cult and Scientology; these two cults are more alike than different, despite very different philosophical ideas.) Moonwebs: Journey into the Mind of a Cult. Freed, Josh. Dorset, Toronto. 1980. ISBN: 0-88893-020-8 paper, 0-88893-018-6 hardback. Sun Myung Moon and the Unification Church: an In-Depth Investigation of the Man and the Movement. Sontag, Frederick. Abingdon, Nashville. 1977. Combatting Cult Mind Control. Hassan, Steven. Park Street Press, Rochester, Vermont. 1988. c. 1988, 1990 Steven Hassan. ISBN: 0-89281-243-5 hardback, 0-89281-311-3 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0892813113/thexenubookstore/ 39. Humour "A Moonie wedding foto is to marriage what a cold shower is to sex" (Ellen Goodman in the Boston Globe) "I would be willing to bet, Tilman that I have more sex than you." (Unification Church member Tim Elder on the internet) "CAUSA nostra" (Found somewhere on the web) 40. What about the Holy Handkerchiefs? The husband gets two Holy Handkerchiefs that have to be used in the marriage ceremony. They are briefly mentioned at http://www.unification.net/tradition/tt1-21.html. Obviously, they are sacred. You cannot have your 3-day ceremony without. The answer from Craig Maxim (who has it second-hand, but it was confirmed by another former moonie): The Holy Hankies are soiled with the Holy Wine (which contains Moon's blood, according to the church). They are prayed over and then given to the blessed couple for use in the three day ceremony. The couple is to wash using the hankies alot of times before sex. I believe it is 7 times. They have to pray certain prayers they are given with each washing. All 7 washings are consecutive. Only then do they have sex. This is repeated for each of the three days. So there would be 21 washings in three days. Sex is with the woman on top for the first two days and then the man on top for the third day. This symbolizes man retaking his position over the woman. The woman is on top twice because, according to Moon Eve had sex with Lucifer the Archangel first and then with Adam second. So the woman on top twice symbolizes these two "fallen" sexual acts of Eve, where she was dominate. The third, of course is the man putting the woman back in her place (no one knows what position Moon used when he cheated on Hak Ja Han) Anyway, these hankies are then never used again and are buried at death with the blessed spouse. You are not supposed to lose these holy hankies, and I don't believe you get another one if you do . So to sum it up: Moonies drink Moon's blood when they get married, and then wash with Moon's blood before sex. The ceremony is apparently no longer secret. Since 11.6.1999, it is available at http://www.tparents.org/library/unification/topics/traditn/3%2Ddayceremony.htm 41. Is there a place for love in the Moon organisation? No. http://www.unification.net/bif/bif-4-1.html#8 "LOVE AFFAIRS ARE ABSOLUTELY NOT ALLOWED" Freely having love affairs is absolutely not allowed. It is not even allowed for unmarried people to shake hands with a person of the opposite sex, because "because the electricity of love flows through holding hands". 50. Where can I get information on the internet ? Unification Home Page, with texts in nine languages and links: http://www.unification.net/ Steve Hassan, ex-Moonie and exit-counselor http://www.shassan.com/ Ingo Michehl, ex-Moonie http://www.channel1.com/users/ingo/ http://www.trancenet.org/moonism/ Allen Tate Wood, ex-Moonie http://pw1.netcom.com/~tate21/ Napa Sentinel multi-part series on the Moonies http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/1earth4.html You can also search http://google.com for the search string "Sun Myung Moon" and "cult" in the advanced search form to find more sites. 51. Where can I get information off the internet ? HSA-UWC USA National HQ 4 West 43rd Street New York, NY 10036 (212)997-0050 ("Holy Spirit Association for the Unification for World Christianity" is the name of the religious arm of the organisation. Get your local affiliate at http://www.unification.net/misc/uc_directory.html) [WARNING: CAN / The Cult Awareness Network has been taken over by scientology] American Family Foundation (AFF) P.O. Box 2265 Bonita Springs, FL 33959 Tel: (941) 514-3081 Fax: (941) 514-3451 e-mail AFF@worldnet.att.net http://www.csj.org -- Tilman Hausherr ** Inventor of the "Driving Principle" ** tilman@berlin.snafu.de http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/faq-you/moonies.txt "I do not know about outside world" (wife of Washington Times president to a reporter)