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DEMOCRACY IN ACTION IV (DiA4)

title: Community Information Networks

1. Debbie. Ellen@Britcoun.org (Debbie Ellen) sent the following

from organisation: N/A and Tel: +44 0161 957 7344

Introduction to the ISPO discussion list:

"I am an MSc student at Manchester Metropolitan University, currently doing some research into a community information network in Manchester"

2. To: Debbie.Ellen@Britcoun.org (Debbie Ellen)

From: mjm@berlin.snafu.de (michael macpherson)

Subject: Re: ISPO discussion list Introduction (Forms submission)

Cc: ispo@www.ispo.cec.be

"When your dissertation is complete, and in the meantime, I would like to learn more about how community networks in Britain are developing." (....) (plus: similar question about Federal Republic of Germany)

3. Date: 06 Jul 96 10:36:32 EDT

From: "Oliver S. Giessler" <100135.267@CompuServe.COM>

To: michael macpherson <mjm@berlin.snafu.de>

>p.s. Aehnliche Fragen moechte ich auch an Mitbenuetzerinnen aus der

>Bundesrepublik Deutschland stellen? Wie sieht es hier aus?

In Hamburg ist der Senat gerade online gegangen (http://www.hamburg.de).

4. From: mjm@berlin.snafu.de (michael macpherson) 8th July 1996

Subject: community information networks

A list member wrote to me that the Senate of the Hansa city Hamburg recently went on-line <http://www.hamburg.de>. I replied:

"Thank you, yesterday i visited the Hamburg government and parliament on-line."

5. from: Michael Macpherson 8th July 1996

to: Mark D. Robbins

"An age ago in cybertime (Sat, 16 Sep 1995) you wrote to the PSRT list

>I am looking for information on citizen participation projects in state >and local government. Typically these have involved preference >surveys, deliberative assemblies, focus groups, and other techniques to >assess the public will towards policy and budget options." (...)

6. To: mjm@berlin.snafu.de

From: "Mark D. Robbins" <mdrobbin@mailbox.syr.edu> 8th July 1996

Subject: Citizen participation

"In short the quality of the kinds of projects which I reviewed were quite uneven and, in my opinion, few have the structural requirements to achieve any sort of concensus or to build trust in ways which matter to local governments."

7. To: mjm@berlin.snafu.de (michael macpherson)

From: com@comune.bologna.it (Leda Guidi) 8th July 1996

Subject: Re: citizen participation projects

"hi, my name is leda guidi and i am the project manager of the

iperbole/internet project (now a real service) carried on by the bologna

city council. " (....S)

8. From: Dave Miller <D.Miller@sheffield.ac.uk>

To: mjm@berlin.snafu.de (michael macpherson)

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 08:24:28 +0100

Subject: Re: community information networks

"We recently organised a two day conference on Community Information

Networks.....I have been developing a WWW site on UK Community

Information Networks at: http://panizzi.shef.ac.uk/community"

9. From: "HAGEN.MARTIN" <hagen@sozwi.sozialwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

Organization: Univ. Hamburg, Dep. of Social Sc.

To: ppp-list@ai.mit.edu

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:04:14 GMT+1

Subject: Re: community information networks

"Being a member of the Hamburg Green party, who is currently working

on a concept for a better citizen information system (called "Freie

und Digitale Stadt Hamburg (FREDIH)"), " (....)

10. To: michael macpherson <mjm@berlin.snafu.de>

From: Robert "W." Phillips <ge45@dial.pipex.com>

Subject: Re: citizen participation projects

Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 18:06:37 GMT

Contact Lewisham Council in London - they have a good project called DALI - the site is http://www.lewisham.gov.uk/

from: Robert Phillips Finance Director

Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants (JCWI)

11. From: hansv@hsm.unv.ernet.in

To: mjm@berlin.snafu.de (michael macpherson)

Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:20:04

Subject: Re: community information networks

"Try talking to the people of XS4all in Amsterdam. They set up a

system called The Digital City"

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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:43:46 +0200

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Reply-to: Debbie.Ellen@Britcoun.org (Debbie Ellen)

Subject: ISPO discussion list Introduction (Forms submission)

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Debbie. Ellen@Britcoun.org (Debbie Ellen) sent the following

from organisation: N/A and Tel: +44 0161 957 7344

Introduction to the ISPO discussion list:

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My name is Debbie Ellen. I am an MSc student at Manchester Metropolitan University, currently doing some research

into a community information network in Manchester ( http://www.poptel.org.uk/mcin/ ).

The research has a number of themes, but possibly the most interesting is an online user evaluation of the network, which is a pilot project. I am also gathering as much data as I can about other community information networks in the UK. I have sent out a simple questionnaire to allow me to see where Manchester Community information Network ( MCIN ) fits in to what is happening in the UK.

I would be pleased to hear from anyone who is involved in a community

network in the UK - as I may not know about yours - so that this simple survey of the UK situation can be

as comprehensive as possible.

Please note that I am a part time student trying to hold down a fulltime

job as well as complete an MSc, so if things seem to take a while - its

bacause I do it all in what little spare time I have.

If anyone would like to know the results of the research please let me know.

Debbie Ellen, 5 July 1996

To: Debbie.Ellen@Britcoun.org (Debbie Ellen)

From: mjm@berlin.snafu.de (michael macpherson)

Subject: Re: ISPO discussion list Introduction (Forms submission)

Cc: ispo@www.ispo.cec.be

Hello Debbie Ellen,

When your dissertation is complete, and in the meantime, I would like to learn more about how community networks in Britain are developing. Especially, are they being used in ways which can help citizens take better- informed decisions in local or other public affairs? Are the work of local councils (or parliaments), governments and public bodies, and the problems to be solved, presented so that ultimately (hopefully sooner rather than later), having considered the issues carefully people can make their voices heard in a timely and effective way?

Gruesse aus Berlin, Federal Republic of Germany.

Michael Macpherson.

WICHTIG !!!!!!!!

p.s. Aehnliche Fragen moechte ich auch an Mitbenuetzerinnen aus der Bundesrepublik Deutschland stellen? Wie sieht es hier aus?

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Dr. Michael Macpherson,

Integral Studies,

Derfflingerstrase 17,

10785 Berlin, Federal Republic of Germany.

tel.: +49 30 262 3768

e-mail: mjm@berlin.snafu.de

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World Wide Web addresses (URLS):

1) Hosted by John Gotze in Denmark:"Democracy in Action": http://www.gbar.dtu.dk/~itsjg/macpherson.html

2) INTEGRAL STUDIES: proposals, opportunities to co-operate: http://www.snafu.de/~mjm/

Date: 06 Jul 96 10:36:32 EDT

From: "Oliver S. Giessler" <100135.267@CompuServe.COM>

To: michael macpherson <mjm@berlin.snafu.de>

Subject: Re: ISPO discussion list Introduction (Forms submission)

>p.s. Aehnliche Fragen moechte ich auch an Mitbenuetzerinnen aus der

>Bundesrepublik Deutschland stellen? Wie sieht es hier aus?

In Hamburg ist der Senat gerade online gegangen (http://www.hamburg.de).

Allerdings habe ich mir daB Angebot noch nicht angesehen.

Viele Gruesse

Dr. Oliver S. Giessler

(Hamburg - Germany)

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Email: 100135.267@compuserve.com Fax: +49 40 511 39 13

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From: mjm@berlin.snafu.de (michael macpherson)

Subject: community information networks

englisch/deutsch (please see EXTRA QUESTION below)

Colleagues, Friends,

A list member wrote to me that the Senate of the Hansa city Hamburg recently went on-line <http://www.hamburg.de>. I replied:

Thank you, yesterday i visited the Hamburg government and parliament on-line. Via DINO (internet register of German language links) i could also find that the German government and a number of federal states present themselves in the Internet. My rapid assessment suggests that the criteria mentioned (5.7.1996, copied below) in my recent post were barely or not fulfilled.

An on-line project of the north German city of Kiel, which i visited a few months ago, stated the aim to promote citizen participation in local affairs but was still a "building site".

The California Voters Foundation project, which may be reached via "Democracy in Action" LINKS - see WWW address below) looks interesting to me. One could describe this project as "political education and advice with citizen participation". It is said to be independent of political parties and government. IMO, on-line projects of governments, official bodies, NGOs and private projects, if done properly, can all help to enrich our democracies.

Sincerely,

Michael Macpherson

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EXTRA QUESTION

The post which prompted my remarks came from Debbie Ellen (to ISPO, 5.7.96) and referred to on-line community information networks. Does anyone have an overview, or clue, about how such networks - especially in Europe - are developing?

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Ein Teilnehmer schrieb mir, dass der Hamburger Senat <http://www.hamburg.de> sich vor kurzem on-line vorgestellt hat. Ich antwortete:

Danke, gestern besuchte ich die Hamburger Regierung und das Parlament "on-line".

Ueber DINO fand ich aehnliche Selbstdarstellungen von Bundesregierung und mehreren Laender.

Auf dem ersten Blick werden leider die Kriterien, die ich in meinem Brief an ISPO (5.7.96) als wuenschenswert erwaehnte, kaum oder gar nicht erfuellt.

Ein on-line Projekt der Stadt Kiel, als ich vor ein paar Monate besuchte, sah vom Ansatz her was Burgerbeteiligung betrifft etwas besser aus, war aber nur im Aufbau.

The California Voters Foundation Projekt sieht m.E. interessant aus. (Ueber "Democracy in Action LINKS im WWW erreichbar - s. unten.) Man koennte dies als "politische Bildung und Beratung mit Buergerbeteiligung" bezeichnen. Es ist angeblich von Parteien und Regierungen unabhaengig. Ich denke, das Regierungs- und Behoerden- sowohl auch "NGO" und Privatprojekte koennten unsere Demokratien bereichern.

Mit freundlichen Gruessen,

Michael Macpherson.

criteria mentioned 5.7.1996:

"... I would like to learn more about how community networks in Britain are developing. Especially, are they being used in ways which can help citizens take better- informed decisions in local or other public affairs? Are the work of local councils (or parliaments), governments and public bodies, and the problems to be solved, presented so that ultimately (hopefully sooner rather than later), having considered the issues carefully people can make their voices heard in a timely and effective way?"

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To: "Mark D. Robbins" <mdrobbin@mailbox.syr.edu>

From: mjm@berlin.snafu.de (michael macpherson)

Subject: citizen participation projects

Cc: 9NOV89-L@VM.GMD.DE, PSRT-L@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU, pol-psych@umbsky.cc.umb.edu, PARTALK-L@cornell.edu, ppp-list@ai.mit.edu, el-democracy@www.ispo.cec.be, ispo@www.ispo.cec.be

Antworten auf Deutsch sind natuerlich auch wilkommen!

from: Michael Macpherson 8th July 1996

to: Mark D. Robbins

Hello Mark,

I hope you are well.

An age ago in cybertime (Sat, 16 Sep 1995) you wrote to the PSRT list

>I am looking for information on citizen participation projects in state and

>local government. Typically these have involved preference surveys,

>deliberative assemblies, focus groups, and other techniques to assess >the public will towards policy and budget options.

>If you know of such projects I would appreciate hearing from you about them.

May i ask if this project has progressed? Do you have something which i can read? If not, can you please point me to literature which e.g. (a) presents and analyses the available forms of participation (b) annotates/criticises experiments, projects or innovations in democratic systems.

Sincerely,

Michael.

Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 12:40:10 -0400

To: mjm@berlin.snafu.de

From: "Mark D. Robbins" <mdrobbin@mailbox.syr.edu>

Subject: Citizen participation

Michael;

I do have something you can read, in the form of a paper I gave at the Urban Affairs Association conference this year in New York.

In short the quality of the kinds of projects which I reviewed were quite

uneven and, in my opinion, few have the structural requirements to achieve any sort of concensus or to build trust in ways which matter to local governments.

I am sending you the paper as an attachment to this message (MS Word

format). I would welcome your comments. If you are not able to receive attachments I will make arrangements to make the paper available via anonymous ftp, or would be happy to send you a hard copy -just forward me your address.

Thanks for your interest!

Mark

Attachment converted: F1000plus:UAA96.DOC (BINA/MSWD) (00000ADD)

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Mark D. Robbins

Research Associate

Center for Policy Research

426 Eggers Hall

Syracuse University

Syracuse, NY 13244-1090

ph.(315)443-9056

fax(315)443-1081

mdrobbin@syr.edu

http://www-cpr.maxwell.syr.edu/

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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 20:37:52 +0200 (METDST)

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To: mjm@berlin.snafu.de (michael macpherson)

From: com@comune.bologna.it (Leda Guidi)

Subject: Re: citizen participation projects

(....)

>An age ago in cybertime (Sat, 16 Sep 1995) you wrote to the PSRT list

>>I am looking for information on citizen participation projects in state >>and local government. Typically these have involved preference >>surveys, deliberative assemblies, focus groups, and other techniques to >>assess the public will towards policy and budget options.

>>If you know of such projects I would appreciate hearing from you about them.

hi, my name is leda guidi and i am the project manager of the

iperbole/internet project (now a real service) carried on by the bologna

city council. you can find here attached a data set about our experience in the field of partecipation and communication with the citizens.

yours sincerely

Leda Guidi <com@comune.bologna.it>

Iperbole/Internet Service

Communication Service and Relationships with Citizens

Municipality of Bologna

tel. 0039 51 203210 260972

fax 223142

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From: Dave Miller <D.Miller@sheffield.ac.uk>

To: mjm@berlin.snafu.de (michael macpherson)

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 08:24:28 +0100

Subject: Re: community information networks

Priority: normal

Hi Michael,

________

We recently organised a two day conference on Community Information

Networks.....I have been developing a WWW site on UK Community

Information Networks at:

http://panizzi.shef.ac.uk/community

this may be of some use to you...

regards

dave miller

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From: "HAGEN.MARTIN" <hagen@sozwi.sozialwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

Organization: Univ. Hamburg, Dep. of Social Sc.

To: ppp-list@ai.mit.edu

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:04:14 GMT+1

Subject: Re: community information networks

Priority: normal

Michael McPherson wrote about the disappointing experience in Hamburg.

Being a member of the Hamburg Green party, who is currently working

on a concept for a better citizen information system (called "Freie

und Digitale Stadt Hamburg (FREDIH)"), I completely agree.

One needs to be careful not to fall into the trap of government-

sponsored PR-campaigns for local entities. Most of the time, they are

a far cry from real citizen particapation.

Does anyone have an

> overview, or clue, about how such networks - especially in Europe - are

> developing?

>

As far as I know, in Germany Herbert Kubicek of the University of

Bremen is the leading scholar on German community nets. He has

developed a citizen information system for his hometown, Bremen.

He can be reached via

http://infothek.informatik.uni-bremen.de

(That's the URL of the information system.)

One of the best projects in Germany is the "publikom" in Muenster, for

documentation about it and how it came into existence see:

http://www.muenster.de

An important distinction to make is between citizen information

systems and "virtual cities". The first serve mostly information

purposes, while the latter center around the idea of constructing a

virtual city in cyberspace, where people can have "homes" (e.g. web-

sites and accounts), and can meet in neighborhoods.

These virtual cities frequently go by the name of "international

cities", the most famous of which is the "Digitale Stad Amsterdam".

In Germany, there's one in Berlin, in Bremen, and Cologne.

I think the web-addresses for the Berlin one is

http://www.is.in-berlin.de

The Bremen one is:

http://www.is-bremen.de

(I'm not quite sure).

Then there's a book project written by mostly English scholars,

which should be published this fall. Contact Damien Tambini,

tambini@datacomm.iue.it

That's what I know.

Martin Hagen.

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It speaks, yet it says nothing.

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To: michael macpherson <mjm@berlin.snafu.de>

From: Robert "W." Phillips <ge45@dial.pipex.com>

Subject: Re: citizen participation projects

Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 18:06:37 GMT

Contact Lewisham Council in London - they have a good project called DALI - the site is

http://www.lewisham.gov.uk/

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Robert Phillips

Finance Director

Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants (JCWI)

115 Old Street Tel: + 44 (0) 171 251 8708 X223

London EC1Y 9JR Fax: + 44 (0) 171 251 8707

UK Email: jcwi@mcr1.poptel.org.uk

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From: hansv@hsm.unv.ernet.in

To: mjm@berlin.snafu.de (michael macpherson)

Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:20:04

Subject: Re: community information networks

1. Try talking to the people of XS4all in Amsterdam. They set up a

system called The Digital City (the Dutch acronym is DDS) with

support of local and national government, NGOs etc. It was/is

extremely successful and I'm sure they're willing to share

experiences. Off the top of my head the address is dds@xs4all.nl but

try others like system or postmaster if you don't succeed at once.

If you fail, ask me to find it for you. I'm not home right now, but

have it archived there.

2. Can we abolish the practice of people including other peoples

messages in the reply?! It is a waste of disk space and I hate having

to plough through stuff I already read. Instead just leave the first

line or a keyword of the section you're referring to. Thanks.

HANS Verolme

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