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Democracy in Action III

Directer Democracy

May 1996

Colleagues, Friends.

A few weeks ago I posted the message "directer democracy" to several Internet lists/fora and directly to selected colleagues.

There was quite a good response, providing information about exciting

new developments such as the Civic Practices Network, incipient debate

about teledemocracy and sustainability, requests for further

information. I have compiled a digest of correspondence, which follows

below.

Sincerely, Michael Macpherson.

CONTENTS

1) original "directer democracy" message

2) brief list of replies, correspondence

3) longer versions of replies, correspondence

To: The Cornell Participatory Action Research Network <PARnet@cornell.edu>

MIT Political Participation Project <ppp-list@ai.mit.edu>

European Commission's Information Society Project Office (ISPO) Discussion list on ELECTRONIC DEMOCRACY <el-democracy @www.ispo.cec.be>

Political Science Research and Teaching <PSRT-L@mizzou1.missouri.edu>

Berlin "nach der Wende" 9NOV89-L@VM.GMD.DE

From: mjm@berlin.snafu.de (michael macpherson)

Subject: directer democracy

Cc: PSAMRA e-mailing list

Draft Appeal for comments of scientific or general nature:

TOWARDS A NEW CITIZENS' CHARTER:

RIGHTS TO KNOW AND DECIDE

aims of these suggestions include:

# to help build confidence of citizens to make decisions and begin to

reduce dependency on delegates and non-elected officials

# to improve quality of choice of candidates (voting)

# to provide or improve opportunities for monitoring of government,

central and local, representatives and officials

# to improve quality and increase amount of public debate on prime

issues: this can lead e.g. firstly to more informed voting, secondly to

more effective "Durchsetzung" (conception and carrying through) of

referenda, and to more refined, sophisticated exercise of plebicitary

rights (also: networking will improve ease of spreading information and

gaining support to carry out referenda) In short, to enrich the culture

of politics.

# to build a base, promote a learning process which will allow a more

deliberated participation of citizens in public decision making and

policy implementation, paving the way for more direct democracy (e.g.

more frequent referenda on a wider range of issues; direct moderation

of parliamentary decisions by citizens voting electronically).

what can citizens demand, do:

Improve availability of information - regarding all plans and

activities of government and administration, local, regional/state,

central (and committees, quangos/public organisations etc.). A few

countries are much better than others on this. (These people and

organisations are supposed to represent us, the voters, and carry out

our wishes! Do we not have a right to know what they are up to?)

Aim to re-organise "town halls" for citizens, not only for officials,

(town halls may be partly electronic, eg. with free terminals in public

places - libraries, schools, department stores - there are working

examples). This means that citizens can see, read about, all steps of

decision-making in advance. There are various possible forms (some

already tried) of "town meeting" where (prepared) issues are discussed

and (maybe in a later stage of innovation) decisions are made by

citizens voting or reaching consensus.

Citizens can communicate "laterally" among themselves as well as with

representatives and executives. The framework for this already exists

in the Internet (Internet Relay Chat etc.) and there are older methods

too! With aid of computer networking, long term problems, options for

medium-term decision-making, even threatening crises can be discussed

publicly, more effectively than ever before.

Issues: On any issue which you judge to be important use electronic

networking and also more traditional methods e.g. meetings, local or

national mass media, to find collaborators for real, improved debate

and opinion-building (politische Willensbildung?) and also as

"rehearsal" for more direct (citizen) democracy. Try various forms of

deliberation, e.g. study-groups and panels (invite experts, debate,

decide, on selected issues)(compare Fishkin, Texas; Jefferson centre);

computerised and real conferences. Make the results public. Seek to

improve and innovate in local media (e.g. citizens' radio, local t.v,

plus Stichwort: interactivity)

Elections and referenda: Independent, maybe competing analysts' and

citizens' groups can use older methods and new electronic media to

present the candidates, the issues, the financial background of

politicians, parties and campaigns, the election system (show how to

vote effectively), WELL IN ADVANCE OF POLLING DAY (compare projects in

California, Minneapolis).

Last point: Please do not wait for the data-highway to provide a better

future "on a plate" by bringing parliament into your living-room. Help

to improve democracy now, with whatever means you have!

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Comments please in german, french, english or your language of choice.

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Dr. Michael Macpherson, Psycho-Social and Medical Research PSAMRA,

Derfflingerstrase 17, 10785 Berlin, Federal Republic of Germany.

tel.: +49 30 262 3768 e-mail: mjm@berlin.snafu.de

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Guest home page, updated March 1996: "Democracy in Action"

<http://www.gbar.dtu.dk/~itsjg/macpherson.html>

Home page building site re. integral studies:

<http://www.snafu.de/~mjm/>

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BRIEF LIST OF REPLIES, CORRESPONDENCE

Longer version may be found by scrolling or by clicking at the number.

"><1> From: gkfink@mail2.quiknet.com (George Fink, California) Date: Fri, 19

Apr 1996 12:14:02 -0700 Guten Tag! Herr Doctor Macpherson, I have just read

over your posting and am wondering what particular program(s) you would be

looking at in California? I would also like to

"><2> Dear George Fink, Thanks for your note and offer. Are you linked into

the World Wide Web? If so, you can find cyberlinks to at least two

California-based projects via my "guest home page", URL below. I just copied

the list of links and mark the Californian efforts so "*", below.

"><3> From: ph24@cornell.edu (Pat Haines) To: <PARTALK-L@cornell.edu> CPN

(Civic Practices Network) is a non-partisan project dedicated to enhancing

responsible citizenship in all of our institutions and to shaping public

policies ....

"><4> from: pipwat@real.com.au (PIP WATSON) to: mjm@berlin.snafu.de (michael

macpherson) I am a fourth years Political Science honours student at the

University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia. I am currently writing a

thesis on the potential for computer networks and the internet to facilitate

....

"><5> To: Theodore L Becker <becketl@mail.auburn.edu> From:

mjm@berlin.snafu.de (michael macpherson) Dear Ted, you wrote: >In reading

your manifesto, I get the feeling you are still reluctant >about Teledem. Is

this so?

"><6> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 00:19:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Vigdor Schreibman -

FINS <fins@access.digex.net> (THE CYBERSPACE SOCIETY) To: "Dr. Michael

Macpherson" <mjm@berlin.snafu.de> We have distributed your message to the

Cyberspace Society, Michael. Your grasp of what is required at this time is

quite consistent with our experience.

"><7> To: fins@access.digex.net (Vigdor Schreibman) 25th April 1996 From:

mjm@berlin.snafu.de (michael macpherson) Dear Vigdor, (....) How do we

achieve "economic prosperity" without the market system? Or, what is needed

in addition to the market system? What do you mean by "economic prosperity".

Is that the same as Bill Clinton means by "economic growth"?

"><8> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:41:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Vigdor Schreibman -

FINS <fins@access.digex.net> (THE CYBERSPACE SOCIETY) (...) We are trying to

educate the group about the need for an independent lane on the

infrastructure, free from profit pressures, to support the social and

environmental aspects that the market system disregards.

"><9> To: Vigdor Schreibman - FINS <fins@access.digex.net> 28th April 1996

From: mjm@berlin.snafu.de (michael macpherson) Vigdor, a brief reply to a

couple of your points. (....) Firstly it seems necessary to find or build

appropriate theory (of "holisitic" sustainability as i think you mean it)

and then to spell out the implications - the options for aquiescence or ....

"><10> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 16:26:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Vigdor Schreibman -

FINS <fins@access.digex.net> (THE CYBERSPACE SOCIETY) (...) The important

work of bringing about sustainability is not possible, in my view, within

the images of reality projected by the business propaganda system.

"><11> From: KUSFTB@vms2.uni-c.dk (Tom Bryder, Prof. Political Science,

Copenhagen) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 07:04:42 +0100

Dear Michael; Thanks for you e-mail on more direct impacts of citizens on

politics. ....

"><12> From: KUSFTB@vms2.uni-c.dk (Tom Bryder, Prof. Political Science,

Copenhagen) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 10:11:20 +0100 Hi Michael and thanks for

your e-mail. There is a recent book on the Danish debate by Palle Svensson

at the University of Århus, which has a summary in English. It is a doctoral

thesis of the old kind ....

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LONGER VERSIONS OF REPLIES, CORRESPONDENCE

"><1> X-Sender: gkfink@mail2.quiknet.com From: gkfink@mail2.quiknet.com

(George Fink) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 12:14:02 -0700

Guten Tag!

Herr Doctor Macpherson,

I have just read over your posting and am wondering what particular

program(s) you would be looking at in California? I would also like to offer

myself for any assistance you may require in studying California's

democratic process. I am currently working on my Masters degree with an

emphasis in California State and Local Politics and your research sounds

interesting. Let me know if I can help you out.

Sincerely,

George Fink

P.S. - We could sure use some "Durchsetzung" in California!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

George K. Fink 916.448.0418

654 N Street gkfink@mail2.quiknet.com

Sacramento, CA 95814 georgef@smtp.doc.ca.gov

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

The United States, California's biggest welfare recipient!

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"><2> To: gkfink@mail2.quiknet.com (George Fink) From: mjm@berlin.snafu.de

(michael macpherson) Subject: Re: Democracy

Dear George Fink,

Thanks for your note and offer.

Are you linked into the World Wide Web? If so, you can find cyberlinks to at

least two California-based projects via my "guest home page", URL below. I

just copied the list of links and mark the Californian efforts so "*",

below.

It might also be interesting for you to browse "Democracy in Action I and

II", also to be found on the guest home page.

I would be very interested to read your analysis of Calfornia's democratic

process.

E-DEMOCRACY WORLD WIDE WEB LINKS

Based on links referred to in Democracy in Action I and II. Additional links

by John Gotze.

Let me know if you need further information or help,

Sincerely, Michael Macpherson

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"><3> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Sender:

owner-PARTALK-L@cornell.edu From: ph24@cornell.edu (Pat Haines) Subject: Re:

directer democracy X-Cc: sirianni@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (Carmen Sirianni),

hboyte@hhh.umn.edu (Harry Boyte)

Good topic for PAR exchange -

FYI: As of last month we all now have free access to a new on-line journal

from the 'new citizenship' movement in the US: Civic Practices Network

(CPN).

To quote from the announcement: "The Civic Practices Network is an online

journal that brings together innovators and educators across America to

share the tools, stories, and best practices of community empowerment and

civic renewal. CPN is a non-partisan project dedicated to enhancing

responsible citizenship in all of our institutions and to shaping public

policies that support active roles for citizens in everyday problem solving.

Our partners from leading civic, educational, and community organizations

around the country have come together in this task. We invite you to join us

in renewing our democracy to meet the challenges of the 21st century."

CPN email: cpn@tiac.net Web address: http://cpn.journalism.wisc.edu/cpn

EDITOR IN CHIEF: Professor Carmen Sirianni, Department of Sociology, Heller

School, Brandeis University ASSO. EDITORS: Michael McGrath, Director of

Press & Communications, National Civic League; Jill Muercke, Editor,

NONPROFIT WORLD, Society for Nonprofit Organizations ADVISORY BOARD includes

leaders from the Center for Democracy and Citizenship, Hubert Humphrey

Institute for Public Policy, University of Minnesota; National Civic League;

Walt Whitman Center; Center for Civic Networking; Pew Center for Civic

Journalism; Public Allies; Wisconsin Public Television; Northwestern

University; Kettering Foundation; Morino Institute; Common Enterprise;

Wisconsin Cooperative Extension; and Poynter Institute for Media Studies

CONTENTS: essays, reports from community and national projects,

bibliographies, and much more, all accessible to non-specialist and

non-academic readers.

GOAL: "to tell the stories of civic innovation, to share the practical

wisdom, and to exchange the most effective tools available." CPN affiliate

groups (no cost) "best practices" stories, case studies, training manuals,

evaluative tools, questions, and dilemmas met along the way.

CPN itself is intended as a * "common resource for practical civic

education,responsible community action, and democratic policy making." *

"collaborative endeavor" that makes work by all of us "more widely known and

utlized" "a resource that reflects the richest practical work occurring in

communities and workplaces all across America, a resource that is wsorthy of

our common commitment to educate ourselves - and our leaders - about

collaborative ways to solve problems, renew our civic culture, and

revitalize our democratic institutions."

DUPLICATION: Anything found in CPN online can be freely printed out,

photocopied, and used in whatever way deemed useful. Other resources

(videos, manuals, audio tapes, project evaluations) can be previewed online

and order from affiliate groups.

At Cornell University, graduate students in the Adult/Extension Education

Program are spearheading a community-wide program that draws on models from

the civil rights movement, expanded and reinvigorated with impetus from

Professor Harry Boyt, Founder and Director of the Center for Democracy and

Citizenship (Minnesota), and proposes to use the history of concepts of

'democracy' and 'citizenship' in the United States as a nonpartisan starting

point for bringing academic, public school, local government, business

leaders, and community groups, including arts and humanities groups,

together to explore what these concepts can and need to mean for the coming

century, in concrete, collaborative terms.

CPN is all it says it is - and is speeding our process immeasurably. We

would appreciate feedback from others, suggestions of other resources, and

information about your own local/regional efforts along these lines. This is

our common future. ******

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"><4> from: pipwat@real.com.au (PIP WATSON) to: mjm@berlin.snafu.de (michael

macpherson)

I am a fourth years Political Science honours student at the University of

New South Wales in Sydney, Australia. I am currently writing a thesis on the

potential for computer networks and the internet to facilitate participatory

dmeocracy, where traditional forms of communication and organisation have

failed. I am focusing primarily on the United States

To: pipwat@real.com.au (PIP WATSON) From: mjm@berlin.snafu.de (michael

macpherson) Dear Philippa,

Yes, the information you are asking for is still available. Best way to get

it, i think, is via my "guest home page" whose URL is the first one given

below my address.

You should find "Democracy in Action I and II" plus links to other related

projects.

By the way, did you see my recent posts to PPP and several other lists,

"Directer Democracy". It is an attempt to design a vehicle (tentatively

called a citizens' charter) to get information about the possibilites of

better democracy out to a broader public.

Your thesis idea seems great to me. Since i have been "broadcasting" in the

Internet on this theme - about a year - several students, from Germany, US

and elsewhere i think, have written to me asking for information.

Please let me know if you write a report.

Best wishes, Michael.

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"><5> To: Theodore L Becker <becketl@mail.auburn.edu> From:

mjm@berlin.snafu.de (michael macpherson) Subject: Re: TAN+N2 Replies

Dear Ted,

you wrote

>In reading your manifesto, I get the feeling you are still reluctant

>about Teledem. Is this so? Why isn't TAN+N2

><http://www.auburn.edu/~tann> linked in your site? I've

>looked several times, to no avail.

>How about an exchange between us?

Thanks for reading my charter-in-draft. (The word manifesto has other

connotations, as we know: i use it to refer to some of my bits of writing,

but only as a private joke!).

I would not say that i am reluctant about efforts to promote teledemocracy,

especially those forms which, as you promote, tend to empower people. In the

recent "directer democracy" post i endorsed a number of different

teledemocratic innovations into information and decision-making systems.

I think it is important to "get the word out" about what is possible in

democratic reform (electronic and otherwise) - there is much ignorance among

the educated public, let alone the rest. (I am no expert, but it took a lot

of hours on- and off-line to find out what i know.)

I think we have different perspectives because of our geographical

locations. In Germany, probably also Britain, there are far, far fewer

initiatives in teledemocracy. Even among academics, and i think that applies

more to Germany, there is woeful "Internet illiteracy", so one cannot expect

people to be easily "switched on" by hearing about - for them fantastic -

ideas about government via computer. And most have heard only vague rumours

or nothing.

It seems necessary to advance using a variety of approaches, partly

depending upon where you are. Charter88 in Britain, for example, is aiming

for a bill of rights (Britain has no constitution), C88 debates and

publishes critically on parliament, electoral system, monarchy, justice,

rights of minorities and women. Nothing electronic until now, as far as i

know, and very little about direct democracy (their key statements start

with a purely representative model of government). But i support what they

are doing, it's better than nothing. In my "directer democracy" statement

you may see that i proposed advances using both the tools which we (the

citizens in general) have now (e.g. livening up local government, claiming

one's rights to know what government is up to etc., self-help groups, more

effective lobbying) and tools which we might get if we struggle for them,

e.g. computer systems which allow well-informed voting in local and "larger

unit" parliaments.

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The last time i looked my guest home page "Democracy in Action" did have a

clear link to TAN+N. *In a separate message* i'll try to make a guide to

help you find it.

Best wishes, Michael.

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"><6> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 00:19:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Vigdor Schreibman -

FINS <fins@access.digex.net> X-Sender: fins@access2.digex.net Subject:

directer democracy (fwd)

We have distributed your message to the Cyberspace Society, Michael. Your

grasp of what is required at this time is quite consistent with our

experience. CS was established to support educating the citizens of

cyberspace about the design of an infrastructure for a democratic

sustainable future.

Browse Fins Information Age Library at the inforM system of the University

of Maryland.

HTTP://www.inform.umd.edu:8080/EdRes/Topic/CompResource/CompSoc/FINS/;

Check out these two directories:

Sustainable Development; The Cyberspace Society

We would like to establish a collaborative relation with your initiative.

Vigdor Schreibman - FINS <fins@access.digex.net>

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From: "W. Curtiss Priest" <BMSLIB@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> Reply-To: THE CYBERSPACE

SOCIETY LIST <CYBER-SOC@readns1.readadp.com> To: Multiple recipients of list

CYBER-SOC <CYBER-SOC@readns1.readadp.com> Subject: directer democracy

fyi

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

Draft Appeal for comments of scientific or general nature:

TOWARDS A NEW CITIZENS' CHARTER: RIGHTS TO KNOW AND DECIDE (.......)

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"><7> To: fins@access.digex.net (Vigdor Schreibman) 25th April 1996 From:

mjm@berlin.snafu.de (michael macpherson)

Dear Vigdor,

thank you for forwarding "directer democracy" to the Cyberspace Society list

and for your interest in possible collaboration.

Well, i'm not sure how we might collaborate but at least i have looked at

some of the CS materials. I think your group is doing good work. Much of the

stuff looks pretty theoretical, which is necessary.

For now just one aspect which i picked out. Maybe you can find time to

reply, if not - it's pretty complicated and therefore may be too time

consuming - do not worry.

I quote: A global "sustainable development" infrastructure (GSDI) to assure

preservation and restoration of the integrity of natural systems which

sustain both economic prosperity and life itself, and to foster economic

growth, environmental protection, and social equity as interdependent,

mutually reinforcing national goals. (from: Intro. to Cyberspace Society)

The Bruntland report, i think, also calls for economic growth in order to

reach a sustainable global condition. As far as i knows the type of economic

growth is not specified. Bill Clinton says similar things, according to your

citation of him.

On the other hand i find:

Or--stated somewhat differently--the market system cannot sustain the needs

of a democratic society for economic prosperity, social equity, and

ecological integrity because markets disregard such public goods. Publicly

supported infrastructure is needed for a sustainable future. (from: CS

proposition 1)

How do we achieve "economic prosperity" without the market system? Or, what

is needed in addition to the market system? What do you mean by "economic

prosperity". Is that the same as Bill Clinton means by "economic growth"?

>We have distributed your message to the Cyberspace Society, Michael.

>Your grasp of what is required at this time is quite consistent with

>our experience. CS was established to support educating the citizens

>of cyberspace about the design of an infrastructure for a democratic

>sustainable future.

Sincerly, and thanks again, Michael.

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"><8> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:41:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Vigdor Schreibman -

FINS <fins@access.digex.net> To: michael macpherson <mjm@berlin.snafu.de>

On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, michael macpherson wrote: ....

> Well, i'm not sure how we might collaborate but at least i have looked

> at some of the CS materials. I think your group is doing good work.

> Much of the stuff looks pretty theoretical, which is necessary.

We are trying to educate the group about the need for an independent lane on

the infrastructure, free from profit pressures, to support the social and

environmental aspects that the market system disregards. Articulation of the

infrastructure would follow this exercise, and provide a basis for

organizing the public around the needed design so as to secure its

construction.

I picked out of your materials the focus on aiding citizens in their ability

to participate. People are having great difficulty in finding the courage to

get involved. The ratio between participants and lurkers on lists is as much

as 100 to 1, or worse. One reason for this is the lack of "neutral"

facilitators but the substantive involvement of facilitators is often

unavoidable, as in our own case where I am doing the facilitation. Perhaps

you can suggest some exercises that would be helpful in just teaching people

to speak with each other on the important issues.

> For now just one aspect which i picked out. Maybe you can find time to

> reply, if not - it's pretty complicated and therefore may be too time

> consuming - do not worry.

> I quote:

> A global "sustainable development" infrastructure (GSDI) to assure

> preservation and restoration of the integrity of natural systems which

> sustain both economic prosperity and life itself, and to foster economic

> growth, environmental protection, and social equity as interdependent,

> mutually reinforcing national goals. (from: Intro. to Cyberspace Society)

> The Bruntland report, i think, also calls for economic growth in order to

> reach a sustainable global condition. As far as i knows the type of

> economic growth is not specified. Bill Clinton says similar things,

> according to your citation of him. > > On the other hand i find:

> Or--stated somewhat differently--the market system cannot sustain the

> needs of a democratic society for economic prosperity, social equity,

> and ecological integrity because markets disregard such public goods.

> Publicly supported infrastructure is needed for a sustainable future.

> (from: CS proposition 1)

> How do we achieve "economic prosperity" without the market system? Or,

what

> is needed in addition to the market system? What do you mean by "economic

> prosperity". Is that the same as Bill Clinton means by "economic growth"?

The primary focus that I would like to see is not on "economic growth" but

on individual and social development, which has unlimited potential that is

environmentally sustainable. I do not advocate elimination of the market

system only the addition of structures that support social equity and

ecological integrity, so that the people can better exercise their sovereign

powers to plan a more desirable future.

State-of-the-art management science (e.g., Ackoff, 1988; Senge, 1990)

confirms that such a holistic focus can be most productive. Moreover, I

should explain that whatever I or other citizens might desire for the future

is largely irrelevant without an information and communications

infrastructure that is free from profit presures, which are now governing.

Thus, the first step in liberating the global society, as I see things, is

to secure a public lane on the information infrastruture, of the nature

specifically described in the draft vision statement [Fins-SD-01]. When we

have obtained a way to communicate with each other creatively, beyond being

subjected to the business propaganda system, then "we" can begin to plan for

the future as a continuing creative exercise.

I hope this responds to your important question.

Vigdor Schreibman - FINS <fins@access.digex.net>

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"><9> To: Vigdor Schreibman - FINS <fins@access.digex.net> 28th April 1996

From: mjm@berlin.snafu.de (michael macpherson) Vigdor, a brief reply to a

couple of your points.

From our recent correspondence:

>> How do we achieve "economic prosperity" without the market system? Or,

what

>> is needed in addition to the market system? What do you mean by "economic

>> prosperity". Is that the same as Bill Clinton means by "economic growth"?

> > The primary focus that I would like to see is not on "economic growth"

>but on individual and social development, which has unlimited potential

>that is environmentally sustainable. I do not advocate elimination of the

>market system only the addition of structures that support social equity

>and ecological integrity, so that the people can better exercise their

>sovereign powers to plan a more desirable future.

I have given some thought to how proponents of aims mentioned by you above

might communicate better with the broader public (including government and

industry). Firstly it seems necessary to find or build appropriate theory

(of "holisitic" sustainability as i think you mean it) and then to spell out

the implications - the options for aquiescence or change (varying from

country to country, group to group), the risks and benefits of these; and

put all this to public debate. It seems that economists have been called

upon to provide this theory but i reckon they cannot do it alone. A useful

beginning dialog may be found in the review of an economists' book by a

member (a british physician colleague) of the Green party. I quote "a useful

analysis divides that sustainability spectrum into (1) the present

government's "cornucopian" position, (2) the conservationist position of

weak sustainability (3) the deep green or steady state economy of strong

sustainability, (4) the very strong sustainability of the deep ecologists

(A) (unquote). I would like to challenge the proponents of these various

positions to defend them by showing that their proposals have a good chance

of achieving their stated aims. What are your underlying theories? How would

your route of transformation look in practice? For example, regarding

industrial production and agriculture, is "small" always "beautiful", or is

centralisation sometimes ecologically better?

Vigdor, you also wrote: I picked out of your materials the focus on aiding

citizens in their

>ability to participate. People are having great difficulty in finding the

>courage to get involved. The ratio between participants and lurkers on

>lists is as much as 100 to 1, or worse. One reason for this is the lack

>of "neutral" facilitators but the substantive involvement of facilitators

>is often unavoidable, as in our own case where I am doing the

>facilitation. Perhaps you can suggest some exercises that would be

>helpful in just teaching people to speak with each other on the important

>issues.

Well, i guess the multipliers have to keep slogging on. Always looking to

refine their own ideas and approaches. But caring to avoid burnout. The new

social movements need to cooperate and find ways to build momentum, to avoid

old-established patterns of big active "waves" followed by long, quiet,

depressive troughs. Your work looks like an antidote, something promising

here. Further, I maintain that it's very important to show that people can

contribute something. (That's one good reason for trying to assist citizens'

participation in decision making). Also, to help get over feelings of

helplessnes and "no future", we need to provide well based arguments and

realistic proposals, e.g. for sustainable development (north and south) as

mentioned above.

(A) Richard LAWSON. Environment and development. (Review of: "Blueprint 3:

Ed. David Pearce. Measuring sustainable development. Earthscan, London,

1993.) Medicine and War, Vol. 10, 319-320 (1994)

Sincerely, Michael.

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"><10> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 16:26:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Vigdor Schreibman -

FINS <fins@access.digex.net>

Michael, I will try to pull out the reference you mention from the Librry of

Congress. In the interim, one point I would like to add here. The important

work of bringing about sustainability is not possible, in my view, within

the images of reality projected by the business propaganda system. There are

a number of points to be made about this problem and a viable way to

overcome it.

I believe that the struggle involves different stage that should not be

mixed up, and thereby compounded. The first stage of the struggle must

necessarily involve the construction of an infra- structure that is not

subject to profit pressures. This is the opportunity that we now have before

us to design a viable infrstruct- ure. The next stage would involve more

direct and comprehensive collective inquiry and action with regard to the

goals of sustain- ability, supported by the new infrastructure.

If fear that if we attempt to cover both these stages at the outset we will

become lost in the very cultural conflicts that need to be overcome. In

short, our target for the moment should be on obtaining a viable

infrastructure. If we fail at this stage the larger mission is lost. If we

succeed in some modest way, the larger mission becomes more likely to be

realized.

I would be delighted to learn your ideas with regard to this limited initial

goal.

Vigdor

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"><11>From: KUSFTB@vms2.uni-c.dk (Tom Bryder, Prof. Political Science,

Copenhagen) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 07:04:42 +0100

Dear Michael; Thanks for you e-mail on more direct impacts of citizens on

politics. One thing I think would be important is to strengthen the elec-

torate's power over nominations. There is one way this can be done, namely

by introducing the method of Single Transferable Vote systems. There is a

lengthy explanation of this in the Blackwell Encyclopedia of Political

Science. It was invented more than hundred years ago, and was advocated by

John Stuart Mill, but it is only used in the Irish Republic.

Just some hints... Are you going to the ISPP meeting in Vancouver? Best

regards -Tom Bryder, Copenhagen

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"><12> From: KUSFTB@vms2.uni-c.dk (Tom Bryder, Prof. Political Science,

Copenhagen) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 10:11:20 +0100 Subject: Re: Tanzania

elections etc. To: mjm@berlin.snafu.de

Hi Michael and thanks for your e-mail. There is a recent book on the Danish

debate by Palle Svensson at the University of Århus, which has a summary in

English. It is a doctoral thesis of the old kind (some 20 years of work!)

but it is well written. I don't have his e-mail address, but the snail-mail

address is: Palle Svensson, Institut for Statskundskab, Århus Universitet,

DK-8000 Århus, Dänemark. As for direct democracy, there is the book by Peter

Bachrach and Aryeh Botwinick called Power and Empowerment. A Radical Theory

of Participatory Democracy. Philadelphia: Temple University Press, 1992. You

probably know it, and it has a lot of good points about the "watch-word"

"empowerment".

Anyway, it was good to hear from you. Best regards --Tom Bryder

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